Well, "Vera from the flats" it look as though you stopped that thread dead. As for your Kipling poem Peter, it should be remembered that in his day most soldiers were drafted and had no choice in whether they went to war or not. Today's soldier is different, they volunteer to do what they do and are left under no illusions about what they may need to do once their training has finished. I think that if the society 'do gooders' took the time to speak to those in the Armed Forces as opposed to paying too much attention to their own self righteousness then they would see that most soldiers see operational deployment as 'part of the job'that they are paid to do. Just like it is the job of a customer service advisor in a call centre to answer the phone.

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