don't be so surprised alan. Don't forget that people like myself and my family and many of my friends , and (if I may speak on his behalf momentarily) people like Dave Wilson are people who would normally be Labour supporters but feel that "their" paty has been hijacked. I personally don't kid myself that Lib Dems are a government in waiting. There's no weight there. And I'd sooner leave the country than vote Tory, but Labour, with all its principles, all its beliefs, all its support for the common man and the dispossessed, all its basis in the concept of public ownership and the public good, has been perverted by a bunch of skilfull, unprincipled control freaks who see nothing wrong in siding with a neofascist american president, stripping unions of all their power in support of big business, selling off our national assets to the highest bidder, treating refugees as criminals and so on. It happens daily. In this morning's paper they are refusing to sign up to a European attempt to clamp down on trafficking of women who are tricked into sexual slavery as prostitutes. The aim is to start treating these poor souls as victims (which is exactly what they are) and granting them temporary residence in order to allow them to escape the criminals' clutches and recover from their ordeal. But, guess what! Labour won't do it because it might get "abused" by asylum seekers. For God's sake!! Where is their humanity? These poor kids are slaves in dire need of help in our OWN country, held imprisoned in brothels by criminals. How on earth can this government claim any moral credentials when it will stand back and let that happen for fear of upsetting the Daily Mail?