steve sorry if you find my comments about "grow up" tiring. Misplaced in your case. But a lot of comments from a couple of quarters are petty and juvenile, and it annoys me intensely - as a lifelong labour supporter who now votes Lib Dem in despair at what has happened to Labour recently - to see Labour party activists showing so little vision. It feels like the labour party has been hijacked. As for your point about Guantanamo Bay, I must disagree. Labour allowed its own countrymen to languish in that grotesque abomination of a place, shedding corcodile tears here for our consumption but allowing USA to carry on doing it when it had the power to force USA to hand them over if it chose to exercise that power. That is cynical hypocrisy. They MUST have known what those guys were being subjected to because M16 officers were visiting and interrogating them too. They have no excuse, and feeling bad about it but doing nothing when they had the ability to do something is tantamount to complicity in torture.

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