So because I present Dave with different figures which are not as high as his you are suggesting that i treat it as a cheap debating point. Just becasue I am not stating what you want to or think you should hear Peter it is no excuse to throw down the racist card. I have previously posted several figures on deaths casualties etc and have named the source. At that time it was asked of me to produce these figures. I am not treating it as a cheap debating point and if you had bothered to read my previous posts on the subject then you would see that this is the case.