Peter, that is not my experience of the police. I haven't ever driven through the streets of Manchester without passing at least three or four police vehicles. When I am out at night the street is teaming with them, you can't turn a corner without a copper being there. Perhaps if you are talking about 'bobby's on the beat'in the neighbourhood then I would agree with you, lots of vehicles and very few patrols. With regards to ID cards I don't think that they are the 'solution' to terrorism. I think that they will be useful, obviously for what you have listed above, but also to verify citizenship which could go some way to tackle the issue of illegal immigrants. I just honestly don't see what the big issue is with ID cards, I can't see how they would limit civil liberties or freedoms. I think that a mass hysteria has been created over them with no solid foundation.

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