And incidentally, alan, as an afterthought. You said you got off your backside and earned the money for education. Good for you. But what about the family I know on Nell Lane estate whose 2 sons specifcially opted not to go to college because their family is on the breadline and they couldnt face the idea of getting into even more debt? Or the family I know in old moat whose daughter is just graduating this summer who would like to do a post graduate degree but thinks she's already in too much debt after loans for her BA? Or a client of mine whose daughter got a 1st class honours degree from Manchesterlast year but turned down the chance to do a PHD because she felt she couldnt afford to get into even more debt? Those 3 examples are all known to me, all local, all single mothers,all frightened of debt, all let down by the system that's meant to protect them. You can argue as much as you like that they were wrong, or misunderstood things, but the system pushed them out of the education they deserved because they were poor. That is NOT what Labour should represent. But it's the direct result of Labour policy. My son is getting a superb education, because I can buy it. Why the HELL can't his mates from Cavendish Road Primary off the council estates in Withington get the same? They deserve it every bit as much as he does. But their parents can't afford it. ~Watching New Labour is like reading Animal Farm. All animnalks are equal, but some are more equal than others.

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