you guys supporting Keith Bradley's corner are losing the plot. You're politicians , talking like politicians, scoring petty points that only matter to other politicians. When you vent all this spleen against John Leech, you can't seem to face the reality of why we voted for him instead of KB. Like I said, the people I know voted for him because he has worked tirelessly at grass roots level for causes that mattered to people when Keith Bradley did nothing (sorry, but that's the truth of the matter. It's not a political point. It's what happened). Others voted for him no doubt because of disenchantment over Iraq. And, like it or not, KB was part of the government that took us into it. He can't claim plaudits for the good things the government did and then disavow the things which are inconvenient. Either way, KB lost. And if you in the Labour party keep looking for excuses rather than facing up to the real reasons why you lost this seat, then you'll never get it back because your basic analysis of the situation will be flawed to begin with so your solutions to your problem will necessarily be wrong. I see no admission of your failings - which is why you lost - only sour grapes and scapegoating. Labour often seems to regard Manchester as its private fiefdom and really doesnt pay much attention to the electorate, so that it regards anybody who votes for other parties as at best misguided and at worst traitors to the cause.

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